Maybe you should have said that "there are no DVB-s or DVB-S2 tuner cards which records directly from these sources _supported_by_Windows_Media_Center_ today".

Is it possible that the WMC team still don't understand the European TV-market?

To clarify: WMC still don't support DVB-S, DVB-S2 or DVB-C tuner cards which make up which covers a very large portion, if not the majority of the European digital TV tuner card market.

Please don't continue spreading this misconception.

We have full support for built in PAY TV in MCE2005 and Vista MCE in all three formats, terrestial DVB-T, cable DVB-C and satellite DVB-S. Full support for multiple tuners (I run three at home) and full support for digital pay tv on Xbox360-MCE-extenders and over LAN or internet with webguide4. Here in Sweden we had fully digital pay tv support in windows MCE already during the autumn of 2005! So we've had it for quite a while!!!!

Yes, it's not supported by MS within BDA and so on. But it's for sure out on the market here in europe!


Cheers!

Magnus Thomé

www.tystpc.nu


PS: Pay tv screenshots taken _OCTOBER_ _2005_ http://www.tystpc.nu/sida.php?s=mce2005boxer

PPS: Now if MCE could just support mpeg4 live tv, the tuners already do, so we can watch the current HDTV transmissions inside MCE too.

Magnus, you are speaking tripe about Europe !

There is **** NO **** support for DVB-S and DVB-C within Media Center (Vista and below) other than using a rubbish composite connection to a broadcaster/cable company provided set top box; usually 1 tuner because you would need additional subscriptions for extra smart cards for each box.

I wil also point out, that there is STILL no support for MHEG services for DVB-T used for Digital Teletext and Interactive services.

There is a solution (fo want of better word) where you map DVB-S channels onto DVB-T ones and get a CAM module. All is rather geeky and not for mainstream or reliable !!!

Come on Microsoft, bang some heads together at SKY TV and threaten them with European Commission for having a closed system (ie all their own hardware and taxes for PVR functionality). Sky Tv have just publicly accused Virgin Media (Cable) of having a closed system and that theirs (Sky) is open !!!

An ideal opportunity for MS to challenge this (Sky chose linux for their set top boxes or customised form... opinion s to why..........)

There IS support for digital pay tv over DVB-T, DVB-C and DVB-S in both MCE2005 and Vista! Not done by MS but it's a simple DVB-tuner device driver install. That's it. Used by thousands.


It's all digital with perfect picture and Dolby Digital multichannel. I've been using this since october 2005. We've had terrestial pay tv support since 2005 but during fall of 2006 we also got support for cable and satellite pay tv, DVB-S and DVB-C. Digital Everywhere released beta drivers for Vista last year and has just recently released all the drivers for Vista, done and dusted. For all three formats, DVB-S, DVB-T and DVB-C. And I'm really really tired of the lack of knowledge of this..... Spread the info instead of telling people it's not there. Sorry for being slightly grumpy today ;-) ;-) ;-)


Again, check out the pay tv screenshots from october 2005....

www.tystpc.nu/sida.php?s=mce2005boxer



This is fun, a screenshot of terrestial pay tv on a Vista pc on a _Xbox360_ _extender_:

http://www.tystpc.nu/pics/forum/de/vista_on_xbox360_01.jpg



And in Vista (this is CABLE pay tv):

http://www.tystpc.nu/pics/forum/comhem-upc.jpg

http://www.tystpc.nu/pics/forum/de/Vista-RC1-pay-tv.jpg

Yes but Sweden is a few people...

If youre talking about bigger markets, the UK and most of Europe and Australia are where Media Center currently has no support for DVB-S DVB-C and interactive services for DVB-T using tuner cards inside the PC (not half baked composite video connection from a set top box). It may all be fine in Sweden but there's a lot more people where it isnt fine !!

It's a universal solution that works in all countries using DVB-C/DVB-S or DVB-T.

Included in the current driver straight out of the box you have Germany, UK, Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, France, Austria, Finland AND generic 6875 and 6911 cable support. Adding other countries (mainly to get channels pre-sorted in a nice way) is quick and easy by changing a textfile, no new driver needed.

I might sound like an energetic salesperson.... but it's all about that digital DVB pay tv REALLY works in Windows and Vista MCE. Properly works. And that so so so many people are unaware :-( Ok, MS don't have support for subtitling and mpeg4 HDTV within MCE even though tuners support it (hopefully this is solved in this years MCE-update (fiji anyone, hehe!). For this you currently need to look elsewhere (like DVB viewer, Mediaportal tv server and others) or look into Cyberlinks plugin solution.


Cheers!


/Magnus Thome

Ok, please enlighten all in the UK.... :)

How do we get MHEG support for interactive services on DVB-T (Freeview by aerial), OpenTV for interactive services on DVB-S (SKY TV by Satellite) and DVB-C (Virgin Media by Digital Cable) as well as support for each of these transmission services using Tuner cards inside the PC ?

The only solution that I know is a hack using DVB-T tuning and mapping satellite channels onto them, which doesnt work properly when you resume from standby.

If this works properly like you say, why do Microsoft ehome currently have a team in Eire looking at all this stuff?

The conversation relates to Microsoft Media Center running inside Windows Vista Premium or Ultimate editions and NOT a third party application(s).

Charlie. I see you changed the post. Fair enough.

Ok, I may be wrong about WMC in Vista, I haven't looked in to that since I don't run Vista.

But there isn't support _IN_ Windows Media Center 2005 for DVB-C.

I have read your homepage before Magnus and while it's great that the manufacturer you represent in this case actually develops a hack and drivers to enable DVB-C and DVB-S support in WMC it is not something that Microsoft supports. So it's not IN WMC, you're extending/hacking it to support your specific solution. While this is GREAT now, it's not future proof and it ties me to a specific brand of DVB-tuners. While I even have one of these tuners I still think the situation could be better for me, especially considering the mentioned tuners cost about twice as much as the competition.

I would like to see proper supported DVB-C and DVB-S as well as multituner support in WMC as I believe that Microsoft (not you Magnus) is ignoring the European market. MSFT has had years to work out deals, politics and red tape to be able to add this support but hasn't yet. At least not in a WMC I can run on my XP computers. No I'm not going to upgrade to Vista currently, and I sincerely hope the WMC will continue to support the XP platform for several more years.

Anyone shed any light on why a UK DVB-T recorded radio show (BBC Radio 1 etc, Freeview) cannot be fast-forwarded in Vista (or XP) Media Center, and why the 'more options' button doesn't show the standard functions such as 'delete show', etc?

It's quite annoying, and without good reason as far as I can see!

Hi,

I have ntl digital tv and would like to hook this upto my media center 2005 on my shuttle.

Iam getting a little confused as to what i actually need. I would like a DVB-C tuner that will work

with windowsxp 2005 media center and pause record live TV. Can somebody simply give me some options

as to what i need, iam sorry for not really being up to date with all this.

Thank you for your help in advance.

Leigh